把那些利益集团搞搞清楚，也许比老百姓深度参与来得更加有效。

Having a clear idea about the situation of interest groups and adopting related measures to deal with them are maybe more effective than increased participation by the public in environment protection.

比起实权的经济部门，看来环保部门真是权利还不够。在中国，政府求助民众的时候太少了，环保部门真是开了先河，不过也由此看出环保还没得到足够的重视，至少比起经济还矮了不止一头。

Comparing to the economic departments which have the real power, environment departments really do not hold enough. In China, the government rarely turn to the public for help. The environment departments are the vanguard of it, but they are still attached to much less importance than the economic departments.

有些话不得不说，公众深度参与的前提是公众环保知识的普及和环保意识的提高。
就在两星期前，我在武汉环保网上咨询废旧电池的具体回收情况，却无人答复！
公众参与要是遇到这样的冷遇，该做何想？
Juliet

Some words I have to say. Further public involvement requires better environmental knowledge of the public and the improvement of their environmental awareness.

Two weeks ago, I posted an entry at the website of WuHan Environmental Protection Bureau, consulting some details on the battery recycling issues. However, no answer at all! When being treated with this type of coldness, what should the passionate public think about the whole thing?

公众参与的命题还是在宣传口径上和意识层次上。
然而我们该做的和将做的是：如何引导不同利益的相关者采取必要的组织手段和技术手段在微观层次上推进，并取得成效或成为广泛关注的媒体话题；环境影响评价法及其环保局制定的细则存在相当大的操作难度，不仅来自各政府利益间的抵触，也来自民众参与的难度。这是靠政府来引导带来的最大弊端。

不太同意潘岳源动力来自民众的说法，要从社会学“治理”的角度，在监控、引导和协调方面共同推进，该谁干什么就干什么！

语未亭

By far public involvement still remains in the phase of propaganda and consciousness. however what we should and will do are facilitating relevant parties taking measures technically and organizably, and in a more detailed way. We should make this topic draw attentions more widely from public media. The idea that environment affects values and rules set by environmental departments are both hard to be manipulated, because of the benefits associated with different departments in the government and the difficulties of public involvement. This is one of the biggest abuse which are brought in by the leading of government in this field.

I do not agree with Pan Yue on the motive power coming from the public. From the perspective of "governing" in sociology, we should guide, harmonize and monitor at the same time, and take all the responsibilities that we due to.

Yu Wei Ting