酷冷生活, 中国年轻人可以接受吗?
中国青年报
2007年8月30日
中国的年轻人是如何看待可持续发展生活方式的?《中国青年报》近来开展了对中国年轻人生活态度的一前所未有的调查。"中外对话"对这一调查的结果进行了报道。
Cooler living for China's youth?
China Youth Daily
August 30, 2007
How do Chinese young people feel about sustainable living? China Youth Daily, a major Chinese newspaper, recently carried out a ground-breaking survey of opinions about climate change and the environment; chinadialogue presents the results.
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仓廪实而知礼节,信然
Only when people have enough to eat can they be polite at the dinner table...
如果中国年轻人少玩游戏,而多关注周围的现实生活,那么,中国就会成为一个截然不同的地方。
If Chinese youth spent less money on video games and focused more on the real world around them, their country would be a very different place.
Seb, Prague
听起来,中国的很多人的确有足够的吃的,尽管很多地方还是很贫穷,大量的城镇人口正在以第一世界的水平消费,所以应该和他们对等的西方人一样考虑环境问题。SL
From the sounds of things, a lot of people in China do have enough to eat. Although much of the country is still in poverty, a significant proportion of the urban population is consuming at first-world levels, and should think about environmental issues in a similar way to their western counterparts... SL
是啊。别再狼吞虎咽的了,中国人。衣服都穿不下了,是不是?好好照照镜子吧。都成大胖子了。
Yeah. Stop stuffing your faces, China. Can't fit into that dress anymore, can you? Well, take a long look in the mirror. You're a whale.
我认为中国青少年应该有权利享用他们的经济财富, 自由地而不受指责地享受他们的生活水平。
我认为中国应该像赌场和烟草公司一样水平的运作。例如拉斯韦加斯的赌场,正巧是赌徒的好去处,有赌场兴建的地方同时也有一些教堂的存在,试猜是谁资助这些教堂呢?WK
I think the Chinese Youth are entitled to their economic wealth and should be free to enjoy their standard of living without recrimination. I think China should operate on the same level as Casino conglomerates and Tobacco Companies. Las Vegas casinos, for example, happen to be the largest contributors for gambling addiction, there are also the same number of churches as there are Casinos, and guess who subsidises the church?
WK
这个反馈很不错,但我还要加上一点,这样的现象在其他国家也可能发生——年轻一代或许明知环境的变化却无动于衷。中国也许是由于戏剧性的经济增长以及一向引人注目的人口而引起了更多的关注罢了。
This is a good response, while I would like to add that such phenomenon may be found in other countries as well - that the younger generation may be aware of the change of environment yet do nothing about it. China might draw more attention for its dramatic growth of economy and as always, its population.
我并不一定会把买车列作一种和买iPod一样的“消费方式”。更少能耗的车,更高的排放上限,更高的车辆税,或者更多的合用私家车?当然!让人们永久放弃拥有一辆车带来的兴奋,这太不现实了。
I wouldn't exactly list owning automobiles as just some sort "pattern of consumption" like people choose to own an ipod. More energy efficient vehicle, higher emission cap, more vehicle tax, possibly more carpooling? Sure! Asking people to permenantly give up the aspiration of owning an automobile is too unrealistic.
我并不完全同意拥有汽车纯粹是一种 “消费的典范”, 就好比一般人拥有一台ipod一样。
节能交通工具,加大碳排放量的限制,更高的汽车运输税,更多人合用汽车等可能是解决问题的方式!?
当然, 要求人们永久性的放弃拥有汽车的欲望,那太不实际了!
I wouldn't exactly list owning automobiles as just some sort "pattern of consumption" like people choose to own an ipod. More energy efficient vehicle, higher emission cap, more vehicle tax, possibly more carpooling? Sure! Asking people to permenantly give up the aspiration of owning an automobile is too unrealistic.
如果那些每天顾客盈门的商家(超市,商场)能更多的参与环保,相信其示范效果比某些组织和个人的努力要好很多.
应该建议超市提醒顾客减少一次性制品的使用.
If stores and supermarkets with crowds of customers everyday can involve themselves into the movement of environmental protection, I believe it’ll set a more influential example than any organisations or individuals. I suggest all the supermarkets remind people to stop using disposable products.
北京市的平均收入2006元是包括了下岗工人和老人孩子的,这个调查的调查对象都是正在工作的青年,不具备可比性。
5000元在北京无论如何算不上高收入。就算是不吃不喝不生病,也需要20年左右才能买起一个北京四环以外的房子,而且是在房价不继续涨的情况下。如果是需要养家糊口的男士,其实每月5000元还是相当困难的,必须全家都不生病才行,买车旅游之类的就更甭想了。
The average income of RMB 2006 for Beijing is including those who are temporarily unemployeed, elderly and children, whereas the subjects of the research are mostly young generation being employed. The income level of these two groups of people are therefore incomparable. RMB 5000 can't be counted as high-level income in Beijing at anyway. Even given the unrealistic scenario of zero increase on property price, a person with RMB 5000/month needs about 20 years to buy a flat outside circular zone 4(barely downtown), not counting any grocery and medical spending. For a man who has to raise a family, it is only enough to have RMB 5000/month to sustain a whole family's living. That is under the condition of no one gets sick in the family. Things like getting a car or travelling abroad are just unthinkable with that income level.
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