去年底，一批号称中国最环保的企业家浩浩荡荡的赶赴哥本哈根。然而他们究竟取得了怎样的成果？这是那些较真的人反复追问的。冯洁报道。
英国经济学家尼古拉斯•斯特恩在演讲中谈到中国的进步及其做出的碳承诺。
British economist Nicholas Stern discusses China's progress and its carbon commitments.
2009年12月，哥本哈根联合国气候会议未能通过具有法律约束力的协议，来帮助解决全球变暖问题，也引发了激烈的国际争论。全世界都在问：“下一步怎么办？” “后哥本哈根”专栏将继续关注变化中的国际气候政治，分析相关议题，寻找解决方案。
The fifteenth UN climate conference, held at Copenhagen in December 2009, failed to secure a legally binding agreement to address global warming and sparked an international war of words. Now the world is asking “What next?” Beyond Copenhagen will follow the shifting world of climate politics, explaining the issues and exploring the options.
2010年2月20日8:41
（1）最后一段给人的印象反而是这些企业家带领着政客支持环保。如果这些企业家是要做符合伦理规定的事，那他们又为什么要等待？不论经济有多不景气都肯定会有一些有能力的广告媒体公司帮你扭转市场劣势。作为世界工厂，中国市场肯定有许多想支持环保的消费者。
（2）在住房入住率如此之低和房地产产业已经过热的情况下，万科集团的王石先生希望建造更多房屋的想法已经不是节俭或环保的行为了（虽然这种做法可以很好利用政府为了促进经济的快速发展而投入的剩余资金）。另外，除木材外，制造钢筋，水泥和建筑材料会排出大量的二氧化碳。但从高风险的国家进口木材是违法的，而且不稳定。所以一定会用到其他建造材料。
（3）中外对话最近大量关注由中国太阳能制造商引起的环境污染。
（4）用环保做秀
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February 20, 2010 08:41
1) The concluding paragraph gives the impression that these supposedly green entrepreneurs take their lead from politicians. Why wait if what they seek to do is ethically right? If the market is slow, surely there are some competent advertising agencies and media outlets which could skew the market in your favour. Presenting itself as the factory of the world, China's markets include those in which many consumers want to be green.
2) The idea of Mr Wang of Vanke to construct even more property when occupancy rates are so low and the sector is already overheated is far from either prudent (although it does use up much of the surplus money which the government has pumped intothe economy to achieve rapid growth at any cost) or green. The carbon cost of making steel, cement, and construction materials is huge - that of timber small. Although timber from High Risk countries might be supplied illegally and unsustainably, so surely are other building materials.
3) Chinadialogue.net recently drew attention to the huge environmental damage caused by China's solar energy manufacturers.
4) "Fig leaves" are "green"....
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2010年2月19日13:46
这批企业家不是地产商，就是空调电器商，充其量也就是搞太阳能的。
他们再投入，能减多少排？那些个排碳大户不出来念个宣言，自然就得不到太多的关注。当然排碳大户多是国企，老总不能乱出来代表企业说话，又或者说，说的话也代表不能什么。
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February 19, 2010 13:46
This group of entrepreneurs are either property developers, or air-conditioning appliance dealers, or at best are in the solar energy business. No matter how devoted they are, how many emissions can they actually reduce? Surely emissions reduction won’t get much attention unless the larger emitters come out with some sort of statements. Of course most of the large emitters are state-owned enterprises, and their CEOs cannot carelessly speak for their enterprises, or rather, anything they do say does not count.
-translated by Xuan Luo
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2010年2月18日18:10
Mr.Yvo De Boer先生辞职的声明中是这样写的：
我一向认为，即使各国政府提供必要的政策框架，真正的解决办法仍然要来自商业。哥本哈根虽然没有为我们提供一份法律上的清晰协议，但其中的政治决心和迈向一个低碳世界的决心，却是势不可当的。这要求我们与商界建立新的合作关系，而现在我有实现这个可能的机会。
中国企业家无疑走在了前面，当然了，在哥本哈根，企业家都参加了什么活动，是不是作秀？这就需要看企业家们回来的行动了。
（另外，首页图片应该来自搜狐博客）
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February 18, 2010 18:10
The resignation of Mr.Yvo De Boer is written as follows
I have always maintained that while governments provide the necessary policy framework, the real solutions must come from business,said Yvo de Boer. Copenhagen did not provide us with a clear agreement in legal terms, but the political commitment and sense of direction toward a low-emissions world are overwhelming. This calls for new partnerships with the business sector and I now have the chance to help make this happen, he added.
Chinese entrepreneurs are undoubtedly leading the way. Of course, in Copenhagen all entrepreneurs participated in movements, but what movements were not shows? This will require the entrepreneurs to return to see such actions. (Furthermore, the photograph should come from a blog).
This comment was translated by Laura Bewley.
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2010年2月18日10:53
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February 18, 2010 10:53
Why don't you say the WRI action, M.Lash beeing a very close counsellor of the President? And why don't you mention that the US secretary to the energy is originated of China ?
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联合国气候变化框架公约会议 United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change
中国气候变化信息网 China Climate Change Info-Net
哥本哈根气候理事会 Copenhagen Climate Council
联合国气候会议 - 2008年 波兰波兹南 UN Climate Conference -- Poznan 2008
联合国气候会议 - 2009年 哥本哈根 UN Climate Conference -- Copenhagen 2009
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2010年2月20日13:19
“皇帝不急太监急”背后的逻辑
咱们的中国商业大佬们去环保秀一下总比不秀好，能发多少声音就发多少声音也是值得赞赏的。至于为何没去世界可持续发展工商理事会的原因在于，我们的政府都没有发调子，这些靠着政府吃饭的商人们敢出这个风头嘛？就像熟话说的，“皇帝都不急”，你“太监急个啥”呢？你急也不顶用，更何况，在哥本哈根，你怎么能喧宾夺主，不让我们的众多领导放光？文章的作者既是南方周末的记者，你为什么不在报纸上公开发表宣言，发动我们的群众和政府行动起来，并且马上？在报纸上发表一些不痛不痒，一知半解的大话，肯定也是有些难言之隐吧，和这些成功的商人一样。
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February 20, 2010 13:19
The logic behind 'The emperor is not in a hurry, but the eunuch is in a hurry'
Our big business moguls went to show their green credentials, but they did not do this well. Nevertheless even that they voiced some of their views is worth commending. As for why they did not attend the World Business Council for Sustainable Development, this is because the government was not in favour of it. Why would these business men who rely on the government for their daily bread dare to step out of line? Is this not like the saying 'The emperor is not in a hurry, but the eunuch is in a hurry'? Your impatience is useless, and even more so in the case of Copenhagen. How can what follows overtake that which leads? Does this not provide the masses with a leading light? The author of the article is a reporter for the 'Southern Weekend', why do you not openly publish a statement in your newspaper, calling the masses and government to action without delay? Publishing such pointless, inaccurate and boasting words in the newspaper, must also have some hidden agenda, just like those successful business men.
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