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“It’s not colonialism” (2)

In the conclusion of Ning Er’s interview with Li Anshan, the international-relations professor argues that opposition to China’s role in Africa is a hangover from western imperialism – and should be ignored.

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Ning Er: Dambisa Moyo takes the view that western aid has massively increased the incidences of corruption among African governments. And according to Deborah Brautigam, professor at American University, Washington DC, and author of The Dragon’s Gift: The Real Story of Africa in China, China’s model of aid and commercial investment actually limits corruption because, unlike money from the World Bank and other donors, Chinese finance rarely reaches government hands. Once a project is agreed, the money goes directly from a Chinese bank to the Chinese firm responsible for construction – limiting the opportunities for corruption available to government officials.

However, many reports – both in China and overseas – would make people think that the west has brought human rights and transparency to Africa, while China is harming those efforts and increasing corruption.

Li Anshan: Brautigam is an expert on development issues and has worked on China’s agricultural assistance to Africa since the 1990s, so she has a sound academic background in the area. Her view is the more accurate one. The west has always offered financial aid, and those sums always include a 10% allocation for administration – an ideal opportunity for official corruption. The Chinese government works differently: it builds a road or a school or a hospital – things you can actually see and use and that make life easier for both the locals and other investors. That leads to a very different outcome.

Some western politicians are uncomfortable with the speed at which China-Africa cooperation has developed and like to focus on isolated incidents or even make groundless accusations. The public’s lack of awareness of the actual situation and the bias which exists in the media worsen the spread of these incorrect views. In Francophone parts of Africa, most broadcast media are sourced from France, and some reports have not been in accordance with the facts. Moyo has a chapter in her book dedicated to China, and she is supportive of China’s aid and cooperation with Africa. Of course, there are also issues in the investment process that we need to look at.

NE: You mentioned that Chinese firms bring employment opportunities to Africa. But there has been criticism surrounding the number of Chinese workers on these projects, with complaints that the number of local workers is kept to a minimum. This has led to an outcry in some places.

LA: In 2008, the Centre for Chinese Studies at South Africa’s Stellenbosch University received support from the United Kingdom’s Department for International Development to carry out a study of Chinese construction projects in Africa. They did case studies of projects in several countries, including Mozambique. And they found it was impossible for Chinese firms to use only Chinese workers, because the costs were far too high.

The president of one large company operating in Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco told me that the average monthly cost of employing a Chinese worker would be 6,000 yuan [US$901], compared to 2,000 yuan [US$300] for a local. And so, where possible, Chinese firms obviously favour local workers.

But, in reality, there are issues. Some types of work need a certain degree of knowledge and technical ability and there is a lack of those technicians in Africa. So Chinese workers have to be used. Chinese managers don't speak the same language as African workers, and this also reduces the percentage of African employees. There are cultural differences, and this was apparent at the Merowe Dam in Sudan – Muslims need to pray five times a day, some of which are during working hours. Chinese firms in Africa need to deal with a range of situations, and that requires a long process of understanding and accommodation.

NE: If China’s presence in Africa is as positive as Moyo and Brautigam say in their books, why the criticism?

LA: Criticism is normal. It is levelled at any rising nation. In a report for China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, we made a point of saying that there are many questions we need to look at and resolve, but that we shouldn’t worry too much about our critics. Some French academics have said that it’s not just their government that’s concerned: even ordinary people are really worried – what does this Chinese expansion in Africa mean for France? Those fears are a consequence of deep-rooted colonialism; they feel something that belongs to them is being taken by China. I’ve got data on sources of investment for projects in Africa between 2003 and 2009 from [research group] Africa Investor. The United States comes first, with 411 projects, while China is tenth place, with 86 – behind even India and South Africa. Yet we come in for the most criticism.

NE: Non-interference in internal affairs is one of the core principles of Chinese diplomacy. China’s actions in Africa, in particular close relationships with what the west regards as dictatorships, are seen by some commentators as evidence China is concerned only with profit. They also think that the policy of non-interference has become an excuse for China to shirk the duties of a major power.

LA: I don’t think that’s the case. Whether it’s China or the African nations, any country with a history of being colonised is going to be very sensitive about sovereignty. This year is the fiftieth anniversary of African independence [1960 marked a significant turning point for Africa, as17 nations broke free from European colonial rule] and any nation that wins its independence will believe it should be in control of its own sovereignty. That is very deep-rooted.

Under these circumstances, we can’t directly criticise or get involved with sovereign matters. That doesn’t mean our policies towards African nations are unprincipled. We make decisions in accordance with the stance of the African Union. We cannot claim to understand things better than the African Union, so that stance is given primacy. Of course, we also respect United Nations resolutions.

On March 30, 2008, I was at a meeting in Berlin and I saw a Sky TV report from Zimbabwe, which I still remember. There was a lot of disorder there at the time and [Robert] Mugabe had placed opposition leaders under house arrest and was implementing harsh measures, which led to a strong reaction from the international community. Against that background, Sky interviewed a Zimbabwean political analyst and asked what Mugabe should do. The analyst responded by asking what business it was of London or Washington: you’ve wanted him to do this, to do that, and what’s the result? Mugabe said he wouldn’t stand for president again, and now he is doing just that – it was you who pushed him to do that, you!

Not interfering in internal affairs doesn’t mean you are unconcerned, but simply that you use different methods – definitely not direct accusations or sanctions. Why did the Sudanese president Omar al-Bashir ultimately accept the peacekeeping force from the United Nations and African Union in Darfur? The decision was directly linked to private communications with the Chinese government. We can privately provide opinions as friends – and that’s a method they can accept.

 

Ning Er is a reporter at Southern Metropolis Daily.

Li Anshan is a professor at Peking University’s School of International Studies and head of its Center for African Studies. He is participating in a project to evaluate the Ministry of Foreign Affairs’ projects in Africa.

An earlier version of this article was published in Southern Metropolis Daily.

Part one: Building infrastructure in Africa 

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mlv

国有企业/政府?

不得不说,关于李教授所说的中国援助避免腐败的做法,我有些困惑。(中国政府的援助方式不太一样,修一条路,建一所学校或一所医院……)难道修路、建学校不是国有企业投资项目的一部分吗?我以为现在国有企业已经变得更独立,可是这样听上去就仿佛国有企业是中国政府的工具。同样,李教授所说“政府”指的是什么?是指行政机关,比如说外交部?或者商务部?抑或是政党?我对此非常感兴趣,希望有人能澄清这一问题。

SOE/Government?

I must admit I'm a bit confused about what Professor Li says here regarding the way Chinese aid avoids corruption ("The Chinese government works differently: it builds a road or a school or a hospital..."). Is it not the SOE who builds the roads and schools as part of their investment project? This then sounds like SOEs are tools of the government, whereas I thought SOEs were becoming more independent. Also, when Professor Li says "the government", who does he mean? The admin side, i.e. MFA? Or MOFCOM? Or the Party side? If anyone can help clarify this, I'd be very interested.

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andrew_stevenson

中国在非洲的投资不是“新殖民主义“,但是李教授对批评意见的反驳有点草率了(2)

当然了,中国可以视这些西方的行为干涉了别国内政,但是,她在非洲投资时总是不考虑政权的因素,比如苏丹和马达加斯加,她就不得不面对称其用“不干涉别国内政”的幌子来维护自身商业利益的指责。许多西方国家和企业也曾使用相同的伎俩,但这并不意味着中国重蹈他们的覆辙时可以逃过别人的批评。
事实上,将中西方援助作比较是容易引起误会的。因为在非洲,中国是主要的投资者而非捐助者。中国在非洲的活动主要是为了给中国企业创造商机,所以应该鼓励中国提升社会、劳动和环境标准以保证这些投资对非洲国家真正有益。同理,非洲政府应该谨慎选择投资项目,才能保证以合理的价格长期获利。
最后一点,关于中国对于非洲的援助将持续到何时的问题,并不仅仅局限于投资领域。我们必须审视一下其他领域里存在的中非之间的利益冲突。在WTO,UNFCCC等组织里,中国仍会满足非洲的愿望吗?

Chinese investment in Africa is not "neo-colonial", but Prof. Li is too quick to dismiss criticism (2)

..Of course, China may see this as interference in sovereign affairs, but while it continues to do business without conditions with regimes such as Sudan and Madagascar, it is open to the charge that it is merely protecting its business interests under a cloak of non-interference. Many Western countries and companies have done the same; this does not mean that China should escape criticism when it repeats their error.

In fact, comparing Western aid with Chinese activities is misleading: China is a major investor in Africa, not a major aid donor; its activities are aimed at generating business for Chinese companies; and it should therefore be encouraged to upgrade its social, labour and environmental standards to ensure that its investments are genuinely beneficial for African countries. Similarly, African governments must be careful to select those investments that can deliver long-term benefits at a good price.

Finally, the question of how far China is prepared to "partner" Africa is not limited to investment issues: we should also examine what happens when African interests conflict with China's in other areas. Will China support African aspirations at the WTO, UNFCCC, etc?

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andrew_stevenson

中国在非洲的投资不是“新殖民主义“,但是李教授对批评意见的反驳有点草率了(1)

在基础设施建设的好处和增强国外投资者之间的竞争性方面,李教授提出了不少颇有见地的见解。但是,尽管他反驳那些称中国在非洲投资行为是”新殖民主义“的言论无可厚非,他也不能断章取义地称所有的西方援助都“奄奄一息,不可持续”。他援引莫约的缺乏说服力的书,根本不能支持他的观点(博拉·布罗伊蒂加姆的例子就好很多了)。

西方国家给非洲提供“贴膏药”似的资助,在贸易和知识产权等领域的投资缺乏必要的让步,这很可能是导致他们在应付非洲发展的主要问题时困难重重(比如西方补贴)的原因。尽管如此,西方补贴也帮助非洲政府在健康和教育领域获得了很多收入,同时提高了数百万民众的生活水平。而且,即使近几十年来,西方资助总是忽略基础设施建设和农业,中尽管近几十年来西方的资助的确忽略了基础设施建设和农业,但如果对实质性项目过分关注,恐怕同样难以真正帮助非洲发展起来。

外来资助在培养公民社会方面具有关键性的作用。它支持那些弱势群体来维护自己的权益并提倡改变......

Chinese investment in Africa is not "neo-colonial", but Prof. Li is too quick to dismiss criticism (1)

Prof. Li makes some good points about the benefits of infrastructure and increased competition among foreign investors. But while he is right to criticise those who dismiss Chinese investment as "neo-colonial", he is also guilty of a sweeping generalisation in dismissing all Western aid as "moribund" and "unsustainable". Citing Dambisa Moyo's poorly-argued book does not help his case here (Brautigam is far better).

The West's failure to tackle some of the major obstacles to African development (e.g. Western subsidies) is arguably symptomatic of an approach that offers "sticking plasters" of aid while failing to offer enough real concessions in areas such as trade or intellectual property. Nevertheless, Western aid has helped African governments to make great gains in areas such as health and education, improving the lives of millions. And although the trend in recent decades has been for Western aid to neglect infrastructure and agriculture, an excessive focus on physical projects is likely to be just as ineffective in fostering development.

Aid can also play a vital role in supporting civil society, helping the vulnerable to defend their rights and to advocate for change..